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	<title>Comments on: Another Article about Gaming and Libraries, Same Old Story</title>
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		<title>By: royce</title>
		<link>http://theshiftedlibrarian.com/archives/2007/10/15/another-article-about-gaming-and-libraries-same-old-story.html#comment-410</link>
		<author>royce</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Gonna have to file this post under "keep handy". Love the numbers.</description>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://theshiftedlibrarian.com/archives/2007/10/15/another-article-about-gaming-and-libraries-same-old-story.html#comment-411</link>
		<author>Paul</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 01:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Jenny,

Thank you for addressing it (again)(and again)(and I'm sure again).  It's a discussion we all need to be prepared to have.  I've run into this argument before.  Especially in academic libraries, the more research and stats there are the stronger the case.  So while my files on video game violence and aggression are large there are many counter studies out there as well.

Thanks for pulling stats together to assist us in making these arguments.

Paul</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenny,</p>
<p>Thank you for addressing it (again)(and again)(and I&#8217;m sure again).  It&#8217;s a discussion we all need to be prepared to have.  I&#8217;ve run into this argument before.  Especially in academic libraries, the more research and stats there are the stronger the case.  So while my files on video game violence and aggression are large there are many counter studies out there as well.</p>
<p>Thanks for pulling stats together to assist us in making these arguments.</p>
<p>Paul</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
		<link>http://theshiftedlibrarian.com/archives/2007/10/15/another-article-about-gaming-and-libraries-same-old-story.html#comment-412</link>
		<author>Amanda</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 01:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The article in the local paper (Fort Worth, not Forth Worth) was more positive:
http://www.star-telegram.com/metro_news/story/267754.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article in the local paper (Fort Worth, not Forth Worth) was more positive:<br />
<a href="http://www.star-telegram.com/metro_news/story/267754.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.star-telegram.com/metro_news/story/267754.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gaming in Libraries Article (and Commentary) &#171; UW-Madison SLISIT</title>
		<link>http://theshiftedlibrarian.com/archives/2007/10/15/another-article-about-gaming-and-libraries-same-old-story.html#comment-413</link>
		<author>Gaming in Libraries Article (and Commentary) &#171; UW-Madison SLISIT</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 01:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] in Libraries Article (and&#160;Commentary)  The Shifted Librarian has some interesting commentary on a recent Dallas Morning News article about Gaming in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] in Libraries Article (and&nbsp;Commentary)  The Shifted Librarian has some interesting commentary on a recent Dallas Morning News article about Gaming in [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Iris Shreve Garrott</title>
		<link>http://theshiftedlibrarian.com/archives/2007/10/15/another-article-about-gaming-and-libraries-same-old-story.html#comment-415</link>
		<author>Iris Shreve Garrott</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 04:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>thanks Jenny for pulling all those links in to one place for easy access... we know what gaming has done for our teens and our library... most grownups who venture into the Young Adult area are truly appreciative and understanding but every now and then you have that one that rolls their eyes and says "I believe you have created a monster!  They need to be learning about books!"... thanks for the hard facts...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks Jenny for pulling all those links in to one place for easy access&#8230; we know what gaming has done for our teens and our library&#8230; most grownups who venture into the Young Adult area are truly appreciative and understanding but every now and then you have that one that rolls their eyes and says &#8220;I believe you have created a monster!  They need to be learning about books!&#8221;&#8230; thanks for the hard facts&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Another Article about Gaming and Libraries, Same Old Story &#171; Suggested Reading</title>
		<link>http://theshiftedlibrarian.com/archives/2007/10/15/another-article-about-gaming-and-libraries-same-old-story.html#comment-422</link>
		<author>Another Article about Gaming and Libraries, Same Old Story &#171; Suggested Reading</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] Another Article about Gaming and Libraries, Same Old&#160;Story  The Shifted Librarian » Another Article about Gaming and Libraries, Same Old Story [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Another Article about Gaming and Libraries, Same Old&nbsp;Story  The Shifted Librarian » Another Article about Gaming and Libraries, Same Old Story [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Toby</title>
		<link>http://theshiftedlibrarian.com/archives/2007/10/15/another-article-about-gaming-and-libraries-same-old-story.html#comment-424</link>
		<author>Toby</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'd be curious to see if anyone has presented this information to Dr. Killen, or tried to determine where her data comes from. All in all, though, I'd say it was a fairly positive article, and fairly representative of the sea change in attitudes toward gaming as a means of understanding the world.

It seems like a few years ago the framing (description of games in the library --&#62; naysaying --&#62; more positive examples) would have been inverted. It could have been something like "Library Wastes Taxpayer Resources on Donkey Kong."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be curious to see if anyone has presented this information to Dr. Killen, or tried to determine where her data comes from. All in all, though, I&#8217;d say it was a fairly positive article, and fairly representative of the sea change in attitudes toward gaming as a means of understanding the world.</p>
<p>It seems like a few years ago the framing (description of games in the library &#8211;&gt; naysaying &#8211;&gt; more positive examples) would have been inverted. It could have been something like &#8220;Library Wastes Taxpayer Resources on Donkey Kong.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jorca</title>
		<link>http://theshiftedlibrarian.com/archives/2007/10/15/another-article-about-gaming-and-libraries-same-old-story.html#comment-426</link>
		<author>Jorca</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 03:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Despite where Dr. Killen found her data, countering her with data provided by the Entertainment Software Association seems a little self-serving, kind of like asking the American Enterprise Institute to come up with some numbers to prove going into Iraq was good for Americans ;-)

I think games could be used to develop useful skills, but most of us play them purely to entertain ourselves. Libraries are adding them to their collections because they are on the verge of going out of business and this is an easy way to pull up their sagging numbers. There is nothing wrong with providing an arcade in your library but it seems disingenuous to pretend that it is anything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite where Dr. Killen found her data, countering her with data provided by the Entertainment Software Association seems a little self-serving, kind of like asking the American Enterprise Institute to come up with some numbers to prove going into Iraq was good for Americans <img src='http://theshiftedlibrarian.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I think games could be used to develop useful skills, but most of us play them purely to entertain ourselves. Libraries are adding them to their collections because they are on the verge of going out of business and this is an easy way to pull up their sagging numbers. There is nothing wrong with providing an arcade in your library but it seems disingenuous to pretend that it is anything else.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann Crewdson</title>
		<link>http://theshiftedlibrarian.com/archives/2007/10/15/another-article-about-gaming-and-libraries-same-old-story.html#comment-429</link>
		<author>Ann Crewdson</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>You're right Jenny! The media has to find a scapegoat and previously it was television and now it's videogames.  The studies out there are contradictory.  I hope it won't take 20 more years for there to be a general acceptance of the true value of learning from videogames.  Thank you for citing the 2006 Summit Report on Educational Games by the Federation of American Scientists.  They really are leaders in trying to educate the public and in trying to forge the differences of opinion between commercial vendors and educational institutions. Thank you!! Ann</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right Jenny! The media has to find a scapegoat and previously it was television and now it&#8217;s videogames.  The studies out there are contradictory.  I hope it won&#8217;t take 20 more years for there to be a general acceptance of the true value of learning from videogames.  Thank you for citing the 2006 Summit Report on Educational Games by the Federation of American Scientists.  They really are leaders in trying to educate the public and in trying to forge the differences of opinion between commercial vendors and educational institutions. Thank you!! Ann</p>
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		<title>By: Library Attack &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Have gamers taken over libraries?</title>
		<link>http://theshiftedlibrarian.com/archives/2007/10/15/another-article-about-gaming-and-libraries-same-old-story.html#comment-1430</link>
		<author>Library Attack &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Have gamers taken over libraries?</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] Jenny Levine at The Shifted Librarian commented with a link to a previous post of hers about video games in libraries. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Jenny Levine at The Shifted Librarian commented with a link to a previous post of hers about video games in libraries. [&#8230;]</p>
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